The Sangamo Special - Beginning to END

In the next few weeks ahead, we will try and create a thread for learning and study on the often confusing Sangamo Special and all its variations , including Models 8, 9, 10 and 13, from beginning of production in 1913 to the end of production in the late 1920's. Although production is generally regarded to have stopped in 1926 by serial number, many of the last ones were being finished probably up until late 1929 as sales dictated and they were still being advertised for sale as late as the early 1930's before the Illinois factory closure in 1932 as we will show later in the thread.

We will attempt to be as inclusive as possible with as much information as is known today, from detailed research never before discussed , also pictures of very rare variants and models will be shown and factory advertisements will be included as well. We will attempt to produce a definitive thread, hopefully a benchmark for future research on Sangamo Specials that may well be referred to by many as they seek answers on these desirable RR grade watches.

So, that said, lets start at the beginning in 1913 and I'll let Robert kick it off with a picture of an early model 8 and 9 and I'll be back tomorrow to start writing some of the information I have on these and their different variations. As we progress, with the help of Terry Hall, Fred Hanson Jr., Robert Smothers and Dave Roeder we will try and be as thorough as possible in giving all the known details and facts on the great Sangamo Special watches many enjoy collecting today..... In order to do this chronologically and as smoothly as possible without getting out of order or off topic, we will have a seperate "sister" thread for any comments or questions as we go, just so that this thread can stay on it's intended purpose of presenting information and illustrations only. Sort of an informational booklet of study in progress. Let's begin with some pictures of a Model 8 and/or 9 , 19 Jewel Sangamo Special.

Before we begin with descriptions and explanations of variations and models lets present the entire Sangamo Special Serial Number Runs from 1913-1926. In their entirety from the Illinois Ledger. I don't think they have been presented on their own before , so lets begin there.

Note 1 - Model 8 *****
Note 2 - *(Motor Barrel)*
Note 3 - (Illinois book in error, #937 is in fact a Model 10, not Model 9)
Note 4 - (Illinois book in error, 426, 499, and 554 are all Model 10's, not a Model 9)
Note 5 - * (Some 17 Size)
Note 6 - * (ALL 17 Size)
Note 7 - (Unmarked 60 Hr.)
Note 8 - (Illinois ledger listed this run as Model 9 but it is in error 4,241,104 is a Model 10; recorded from an eBay sale)
Note 9 - (Unmarked)
Note 10 - (Marked 60 Hr.)
Note 11 - All Model 13's are 17 Size

Now we have a ledger for the Sangamo Specials of which a total of 30,260 were made. So before we go into descriptions, let's do some number crunching and look at some production trivia on these which I think will put production into perspective a bit better. These Sangamo Special were initially introduced in 1913 and were up at the top of the list of Illinois's best quality watches, carried a high retail sales price and consequently sold a bit slow. So let's dig into some production totals.

If you own an Illinois book , no doubt you have looked at production totals on individual groupings as Bill Meggars had them listed. Let's look at the numbers from a different perspective.....
1) Of the total 30,260 Sangamo Specials produced; 8,320 were Model 8's and 9's or NON Motor Barrel.
2) Of these 8,320 watches in Model 8 and 9; 5,410 were True Bridge and only 2,910 were False Bridge in all jewel configurations.
3) Of the total 30,260 watches, there were only 250 Model 8's (hunters) ever made total. That leaves the remainder of 30,010 in open face.
4) Of the total produced 21,940 were Motor Barrel, Model 10's or 13's.
5) Of these 21,940 Motor Barrel watches only 11,200 were 60 Hour Model 13's of which only the last 2,200 were "marked" 60 Hour.
6) Approx 17,000 of the total watches were 17 Size or over half of production.
7) Approximately 21,900 of the total production were Factory Cased (All Model 10's and 13's)
8) Of total production the most, by far, were 23 Jewel for a count of 25,510 watches....
9) All 30,260 watches have the same wide transverse band pattern except for the Model 8 and 9 , 23 Jewels "Crosshatch Pattern" watches which total only approximately 3,570 watches.
10) Sangamo Special Production only accounts for .0054 percent of total Illinois production or slightly over 1/2 of 1 percent of all watches Illinois ever sent out the door
.....so a small percentage for sure.

So these are some numbers to ponder and what do they tell us about these watches? They were all produced in a short window of time in the golden era of the United State's rise to global power during the Industrial age. Production time on these encompassed only a short 14 years. Production that touched a mere 2 decades and was ended almost as suddenly as it began due to a Great Depression and slow sales..........well, one thing is certain, they are all still sought after today and of course, of special interest are the Model 8 Hunters..... rare indeed, .....any 19 Jewel which are uncommon, any Crosshatch 23 Jewel is desirable if condition is present , and I would suggest special consideration on the 21 Jewels which are quality and fairly hard to find. More on all these later. Of concern is how many of any of these survive today and in what condition, a question no one can answer. So study these numbers some (hopefully my math is accurate) and from here we will go to describing variations and accute differences in detail.

19 Jewel Sangamo Special

Beginning in 1913, Illinois decided to make and introduce the Sangamo Special as their highest grade watch and for all practical purposes it was except for a very few Diamond Ruby Sapphire examples that were finished as late as 1919 and of course there are very few of those and another story all together. The 19 Jewel Sangamo Special consists of 6 runs in open face (Model 9) for a production of 1300 and one run in hunting (Model 8) with a production of 50. Produced from 1913-1916, only a brief 4 years, all runs are true bridge in both open and hunting face except for the last run.

This last run of 19 Jewels is interesting in that it is , as previously stated, the only run for 19J that is False bridge. Bill Meggars did not address this fact in the Illinois book from 1985 for some reason, perhaps overlooking the fact as it is indeed a short run of only 200 watches produced after the changeover from true bridge to false at around 2,868,401. These 200 watches , ( 2,917,401- 2,917,600 ) are all Model 9 , open face and finding a false bridge 19 Jewel Sangamo Special is a hard square to fill in your collecting, indeed. Not quite as hard , obviously, as finding a Model 8, hunter but nonetheless, I have only seen 5 false bridge 19j SS's in over 35 years of collecting. I would think that having a true bridge and false bridge open face 19j as well as a hunter 19j would be a major accomplishment in anyone's Illinois collecting.

Now let's talk about some of the anomolies of variations seen in these early watches. First of all the Sangamo Special was suppossed to be a highest quality watch, so one would naturally suspect that it be adjusted to 6 positions. All Sangamo Specials I have ever seen in any model or jewel configuration IS just that.... Adjusted 6 positions ....with the exception of a very, very, limited few as is pictured above. This watch would surely be rare enough if it were only a "normal" hunter of only 50 produced, but to add even further to the rarity of this particular watch is the fact that it is only adjusted to 5 positions! It is suspected this very rare feature is limited to only the first 4 or 5 watches produced and was intentionally finished this way perhaps due to it "only being a 19j" as well as the fact these 19j hunters were the first in serial number sequence of all the SS hunters to be finished. Perhaps when management thought about it, they were not happy about their "top quality" watch being only 5 positions and decided to up the ante with one more adjustment on the following 19j movements and make them 6 position watches equal in adjustment to the higher jeweled 21 and 23 versions. No matter how you surmise it, the watch pictured above is one of the rarest of the rare you will EVER see and deserves a crown jewel placement in any Illinois collection. It goes without saying one could very easily go a lifetime and never see another like this one. To have it pictured here for our viewing pleasure is a priviledge of highest order, if you collect Illinois.

The second anomoly, in variation, I would like to discuss is the fact that somewhere around 2.6 million Illinois decided to change the balance cap assembly. It should be noted that in the earliest Sangamo Specials in versions of any jewel configuration (19, 21 or 23j) at around 2.54 million, when the series began, the balance bridge had a screw down gold jewel setting, consisting of the usually seen 2 screws with the heads of the two screws clearly showing, indicating the screws were pointing downward. Inside this round raised gold jewel setting, the balance cap jewels were indeed real faceted diamonds. As previously stated, at around 2.6 million through 3.0 million, the balance bridge was changed to have a "cleaner" looking flat cap which housed the balance jewels with only the bottom "ends" of the two screws showing, obviously indicating the screws had been threaded from underneath on the underside of the balance bridge and these two jewel screws are coming "up" from below. A strange change indeed, and there has never been a definite explanation for this change except that it had a "cleaner" appearance though not as rich or ornate.

Here is where it gets a little complicated in variations that have been seen in this 400 thousand serial number range. In some of the "flat" capped balance bridges seen in this range, most have sapphire end stones with no gold jewel setting, these sapphire jewels are different in appearance from the diamond endstones seen on earlier movements and look exactly like we are used to seeing on other model 8 or 9's such as a Bunn Special, i.e. a rising round cap jewel with a flat top. Obviously different looking and not having facets as are seen with the Diamond jewels or endstones if you prefer. However, here is the exception to the rule and on a very few of these "flat capped" balance bridges, we will see, on occasion, a diamond endstone and a gold jewel setting but they are much more infrequent in this range. Notice that the rare hunter above shows a diamond endstone with gold jewel setting , a rare combination with the screws up. Sometimes even in this serial number range the usually seen "flat cap" is not flat but dished out as Illinois used up older parts perhaps. However the one thing consistant in this serial number range of 2.6 million thru 3.0 million are the jewel screws coming from underneath with only the smaller ends showing on top . As I sometimes call them "screwups" for humor to help me remember. At around 3.1 million we see Illinois return to the older previously used balance bridge with the balance jewel screws down or "heads up" if you prefer.

It would appear that Illinois may have initially wanted this Sangamo Special to be a Diamond endstone watch ,equal in quality to the Diamond Ruby Sapphire Models but it is obvious, many were never originally finished that way with true diamond endstones and contained the lesser sapphire balance cap jewels. Of course many others of these, as well, have lost their diamond endstones through the years due to damage and have had them replaced with lesser quality jewels. So point being, in my opinion the diamond endstone models that still survive today are well worth collecting and bringing home if condition is present. We will now pause to show a few pictures of these balance variations, I have described before moving forward. A few pictures if you will Robert.

Continuing on now with the 21J Sangamo Specials. As previously stated, the Model 8 and 9 Sangamo Special watches were designed to all be top quality movements, with no expense spared in workmanship and materials and except for the pattern on the 23 Jewel Crosshatch, suppossedly different only in number of jewels to be counted. Even the guard pins for the pallet fork were suppossedly made of gold instead of the usual brass guard pins used on other models like the Bunn Special. This is mentioned in the movement discription in the Illinois book by Bill Meggars from 1985. Of course we should mention the name of these watches pay tribute to the Sangamon Indian tribe from this area of North America from old historical days long gone.

The 21 Jewel Sangamo Special consists of 10 total runs; 9 runs in open face (Model 9) consisting of 3350 watches and 1 run in hunting (Model 8) of only 50 watches, for a total of 3400 movements. As we can see two of the early runs only contained 10 movement each and finding one from either of those runs would be a prize indeed as the 21 Jewel was the first variation of the Sangamo Specials produced and these two particular runs are the earliest ones produced. So having one of these earliest serial numbers would be nice. Perhaps a bit strange , if we look at the Illinois ledger , is that we can see these two runs of 21J SS are surrounded in production by super rare and top quality Grade 709 23 Jewel watches of which a total of only 60 were made. The 709, is certainly another "would be" prize in the Illinois collecting world. So there were some nice movements coming out of the factory at this particular time for sure. Just a bit of trivia there for your reading interests.

Of the 10 runs for the 21 Jewel SS, they are all True bridge except for the last two runs. ( 2,968,001- 2,968,500 ) and ( 3,251,001- 3,251,400). Only 900 21 Jewel SS are False bridge and finding one of these is not that common. I have seen less than a dozen examples in over the last as many years and always make an attempt to buy them. They are a very overlooked and a hard to find, quality variant in my opinion. Again, as with the 19 J SS, the Illinois book overlooks or fails to point out the fact that any of the 21 J SS are False bridge , but there they are just the same and somewhat in hiding, these two last runs which come after the changeover from True bridge to False, which, as previously mentioned happened at 2,868,401. All the 21J SS still remain somewhat reasonably priced in today's market place and that is a bit puzzeling owing to their relative rarity and high quality. The largest run of these 21 J.'s was only 700 numbers , so the watch was never really overproduced and do not show up that often in todays market . Perhaps their desirability and market price will change as others become more aware of them.

A interesting point for consideration and discussion at this point is the subject of engraving color on these Model 8 and 9 Sangamo Specials. This is a variation of interest as you collect these as the earliest ones were gold in color of engraving and the last ones were red in color. So where does this changeover take place? Well, as with most things regarding the Illinois Watch Company there are many times no hard and fast rules and "ol timers" used to say, the true bridge examples had gold engraving and the false bridge were red and while that could be said to be a general rule of thumb you will see many exceptions to that. There are some true bridge SS watches as early as 2.7 million or thereabouts with red engraving and some as late as 2.8 million with gold engraving. Equally, some of the false bridge examples exist in both colors. So, if you were trying to fill all squares, you would need one of each color in both true and false bridge which will take you quite a while to find, I would think under normal circumstances.

Perhaps this would be a good time as well, to discuss differences in True and False Bridge movements. If you are an advanced Illinois collector you are already aware of the differences, if you are a beginning lllinois collector here is a good time to get a handle on it. It is not that hard to tell them apart visually; as being that these are bridge model movements, the difference is the obvious that one sees at first glance when comparing a true and false bridge side by side. You will note the much wider gap between the barrel bridge and the center bridge near the balance on the false bridge. There is also the fact that this gap is not as deep on the false bridge and there is good reason why. Reason being, the center bridge and barrel bridge on a false bridge are really only one plate, and not two seperate bridges as used on a true bridge movement. Hence the name , "true bridge" or "false bridge". Of course the plates or bridges screw down to the pillar plate and both varieties, either true or false bridge use the same number of plate screws and are in the same placement. (Note: Later when Illinois changed over to the Model 10's and 13's which are all false bridge as well as 23J Motor barrel they used two LESS plate screws in the barrel bridge and we will point that out when we get to that place with pictures). A small technical notation, that of course, the hunter movements would have one slightly different placement of one of the plate screws on the barrel bridge than would an open face movement due to the different location of the barrel. Of course maybe of slight interest to you is the fact that one could also use the serial number to know without even seeing the watch whether it was true bridge or false if you were, say discussing one by serial number over the phone as at and after 2,868,401 all of them become false bridge and... SO FAR, I have never seen an exception to this rule. So numbers are a good thing to know sometimes.

A final note on these 21 Jewel SS is that some of the early examples, as do some of the early 19 and 23 jewel movements, are also found with faceted diamond balance endstones or jewels. Again, an apparent cut in quality and of course the diamond endstone examples would be preferred over a non diamond example. Same notation applies to the differences in the balance caps and screws for the 21j as the 19j. We are now probably ready for a few more pictures at this point, to show some examples of discussion here. Robert if you will be so kind.

Continuing on with the 23 Jewel Model 8 and 9 Sangamo Specials we find a total production of 12 runs containing a total of 3570 watches as best we know today. They consist of 150 hunting (Model 8's) and 3,420 open face (Model 9's). Further disected, we see that there are 6 runs of True bridge with 5 of these runs being open face totaling 1710 watches and 1 run of Hunters with a production of only 50. Finding one of these True bridge hunters is a next to impossible pursuit. Moving on to the later False Bridge, we see another 6 runs of these as well with the almost same even distribution with 5 runs of open face totaling 1710 watches as well. However, in the 1 run of False bridge hunters we see a slightly higher production of 100 movements. These are not common and are very hard to find as well but they do not hold the same dollar premium the true bridge carries but still it is a significant square to fill in Illinois collecting and few ever turn up for sale.

Of course we know today, that the Illinois book was in error in places and here is no exception as they originally thought there were more of the model 9, 23 Jewels made but as they turn up for sale today we find that they were finished not as a model 9 False bridge but as a Model 10, Motor barrel instead. These Model 8 and 9 Sangamo Specials have an internally jeweled barrel as did the 19 jewel SS's but they are different in that they also possess a unique pattern from all the other SS's with what is referred to as a crosshatch pattern. Some collectors favor these for this pattern alone, with it being said by some to be one of Illinois's prettiest patterns if not the best one.

Of note for interest is the fact that the earliest SS's up to around 2.8 million have a large gold jewel setting at the top escape wheel jewel and then after this approximate number the jewel setting is somewhat smaller and of a different shape. Meggars had mentioned this same change over in escape wheel jewel setting for the 21 Jewel version as well and gave a slightly more accurate number of change over as 2,791,000. Another point for notation is that all Sangamo Specials no matter what jewel count or what model, carried red or ruby rectangular pallet fork jewels rather than the white or sapphire jewels the Bunn Special and other models used. No explanation can be found for this and it is perhaps just a novelty to help the watch stand out a bit over other models.

The same balance cap variaties are seen on the 23j as are seen on the 19's and 21's that have been previously discussed. Same story for the change from yellow or gold engraving to red. As these are recorded in future sales, perhaps some good details can be noted and we may learn how closely the changeover occurred although I suspect there is an overlapping of both colors at around 2.8-2.9 million. If you do not have an Illinois book, the author, Bill Meggars stated that the "quality of these 23 jewel Sangamo Specials surpasses that of any other 16 size Illinois watches except the Numbered Grades 310, 709, 710 and 770." Those numbered grades are of course the top end, Diamond Ruby Sapphire models much sought after today by collectors. I remember the first time I ever read that statement; I reread it about a dozen times and that was all the reason I needed , to decide that I wanted to find one. That statement of top quality equal to a DRS stood out to me in my early collecting days and was indeed valid reason enough for me to want to own one . I still enjoy looking for these today and from time to time am able to find a bargain in one, although it gets tougher all the time as the number of collectors is always growing.

It is also important, I think, to note that some of the early 23 jewels had faceted diamond balance endstones or cap jewels as did some of the early 19 and 21 varieties. To me, a 23 J , diamond endstone, true bridge , crosshatch Sangamo Special is about as good as it gets for look of fit and finish, not to mention quality in an Illinois watch. This particular variety will in time begin to catch on, as interest is already growing and if you can find one now would be a good time to get one before the prices begin to rise proportionately on these as it has some of the rare 163 Bunn Special variants. I would venture to guess that less than 800 of these diamond endstone 23's were ever made, with of course even fewer surviving today. The prices on these in today's market is still somewhat reasonable and if you can find one in good condition, I would think it would be a wise purchase, not to mention a good example of the Illinois Watch Company at its best in the pre WWI era of the 19'teens. An era long gone by when pride in one's work and reputation for integrity was at it's peak. Hopefully this information will help you in your study and collecting of these desirable early Sangamo Sp's.

Now lets enjoy some great pictures of some of the varieties of these and if Terry or Fred has any early ads, pictures, or comments as well for these I invite them to please favor us with a look. This will conclude the text and notes for discussion that I have on the Model 8 and 9 SS's and later, after the pictures we will move on to the later model 10 and 13 Motor barrel SS's.

They seem to be scarce, but there are a few private-label marked watches that were made from model 9 Sangamo Specials. I am sure there are others but two that I have seen are ...

"L.W. Suter, Seattle" (21 jewel model 9 Sangamo Special grade)
"The Supreme, N. Gamse, New York" (23 jewel model 9 Sangamo Special grade)

I have not seen a model 8 Sangamo Special that is private-label marked but wouldn't be surprised to hear of one.

Published here for the first time ever, we see my COMPLETE List of the Sangamo Special , Factory Cased Model 10's and the Sangamo Special Factory Cased Model 13's ( The Model 13's were all 60 Hour watches, however only the last 2200 were marked Sixty Hour). All Factory Cases used on these by the Illinois Watch Company in Springfield , Illinois, were made by the Wadsworth Case Co. which was located in Kentucky.

This list you see here is the complete set of numbers I have been able to record over a period of the last 12 years. An effort to record examples I felt were original and verified each other by falling into a somewhat logical sequence. I began this list back in the early 1990's , hoping someday to record enough examples for a good guideline. Most all SS collectors I spoke with over the last decade knew I was working on this list as well as the Bunn Special list and encouraged me, so I am glad to finally be able to present it to all of you here. It was a slow go, involving much patience but it is my hope that now, it will be of good use to you and future researchers. I am sure as time goes on that others may attempt to use it in part or total and it may appear in other places without giving proper credit to me, however , whether now, or in the future, at least I am on record here as the author letting you know how it originated, and where the information came from. So , now I freely contribute it to you, courtesy of this website , in an effort to benefit all present and future Sangamo Special collectors.

My love of cases and the desire to study them came directly from my father and his father who I can still hear in my mind, saying, "It's all case and dial,boy" That point would be hammered home to me over the years in the '70's and '80s by them as we looked for watches. Their philosophy was that, except on the exceptionally rare movements, a nice case and dial was the highlight of the watch as it was what you looked at most and offered an immediate "eye candy" if you will. They of course wanted an all original watch that had condition AND looks. They knew and appreciated a good watch no doubt, but an entire afternoon of conversation could break out over a watch with a great case that had just been purchased in a back alley pawn shop. I soon learned the 'Ol timers were notorious for switching to a "pretty" better condition case, placing it with pride on their best condition movement. "Upgrading" they called it and although the "looks department" of the watch definitely went uphill , the fact of lost originality was something I questioned privately in my own curious and young head and was NOT lost on me. So I began my direction into the area of researching cases fueled by this love of my father for great looking cases and my curiosity of what was correct. Cases of course have their own serial number and there was a detective inside of me that wanted to be able to date them. Thousands of hours of research and a few decades later and I was able to come up with a few, very humble lists , guidelines if you will, for those wonderful Wadsworth Cases that I so much favored. All that work for nothing more than to just be able to date those cases and aid me in my collecting.

A few notes here on these cases. All of the Model 10 cases I have ever seen have been yellow, whether in gold filled or solid gold except for the one noted above in the list that is 2 tone. I have looked at this particular case and it looked legit to me, so definitely a curiosity. These special cases for the Model 10's were Patented Bow and Crown and had a hinged front bezel and a screw off back. Of interest to some may be the fact that some of the earliest cases had only a ''half" diamond or triangular crown, soon after the introduction, the later cases would have a full diamond shaped crown, and there will be pictures to illustrate this shortly here in this thread. Additionally some of these earliest Model 10 cases did not have the Sangamo Special name stamped on the inside of the back. For whatever reason this was omitted, we do not know, as those early cases only carried the Pat. Bow and Crown stamp and a patent date marking. They are nevertheless, genuine Sangamo Special cases just the same. The earliest Model 10 SS case serial number I have ever recorded so far is 4,170,704 (1917) and the latest is 6,840,048 which in Wadsworth number language translates to 1923.

The Model 13 Cases were Wadsworth as well, and came in several styles, colors and configurations. They were made in gold filled and solid gold as well, and some carried a factory back engraving for an additional charge of 2 dollars. Most collectors, regard the Stiff Bow as the earliest model 13 case produced or used and I would agree with that as the earliest serial numbers on these have been noted to be in the very late 6.9-7.0 million range which predates the serial numbers of the Rigid bow a bit . We do not see the Rigid Bow showing up until a bit later and the earliest ones carry a case number of around 7.2 million. They were used on throughout the model 13 production but the earlier Stiff Bow seems to disappear in quiet fashion by around 7.5 million, for whatever reasons and a newer Sangamo Special case model shows up in the later production which is known as the 193. Most of which are screw back and bezel but were made in triple hinge as well. We of course will be showing pictures of all these and their varieties as we continue. They all, were very well made and beautiful cases when they were new and if you see one in 95% condition or better, today, it is a true prize for most all collectors. Of course the most prized would be the solid gold varieties in triple hinge. Note the solid gold cases carry their own special serial number range. The latest gold filled ,SS, model 13, case serial numbers are in the 8.5 million range. This is interesting as for Wadsworth, this translates into 1930/31. Indicating to us, that some of these last model 13's, although the plates may have been produced in 1926, were not finished and sold until well into the early 1930's. Later we will see factory ads showing the watch still available for sale as late as 1931. Expensive, yes and with the Great Depression on in full force, no doubt a slow seller as there were probably few who could afford it.

I hope you will be able to use the above list for your research and study as well as an aid to help you in your collecting. As stated, this is the FIRST time it has ever been publicly published in complete form anywhere. I am proud to give this list to WEB HOROLOGY and all of the collecting public for their reference and use and we will be adding numbers to it as they turn up. (The Bunn Special list I authored , worked on for over 10 years and had contributed elsewhere, has sadly, been locked and I am presently unable to add numbers to it. So in time we may totally rewrite a new one with newly discovered and different numbers and do a thread on that here as well.) These numbers are a representation of hundreds of hours of research and recording the serial numbers of SS watches for sale over the last 12 years from watch shows, auctions, flea markets, private collections, ebay, etc. It was a labor of love for me personally, so that I could get a feel for what was an original watch and what was not. I was hoping to possibly understand whether, when looking at a SS, if I was looking at a case that fell into proper time frame in regard to the movement or had possibly been switched from an earlier or later movement. (All through the years, collectors and sellers alike have switched cases due to condition, color preference, money, etc.) So my recording of numbers began with a thirst for knowledge to know and understand originality and finally ended up with this current list you see here. So now I gladly contribute it here for your benefit and continued study of horology.

Finally, it would not be proper, if I did not thank the people who helped make this list a possibility. I would like to thank Terry Hall for all his help back in the early days of helping me with my secretary duties. Also for the many times he encouraged me with much sincerity when I was a bit lazy and losing interest. Without his friendship, no doubt, I would have dropped out of horology entirely after my father's passing, who was my mentor. I would also like to express thanks to Robert Smothers for his encouragement and valued friendship as well. The Fred Hanson family for their good advice, knowledge and fellowship. Their love for horology is an inspiration I would refer to many times in my mind when considering whether to continue on or not. So many other people come to mind, who offered numbers and kindness freely, not to mention emotional support. Dave Roeder, Bob and Drew Christie, Jim Haney (although he's one of those 'ol Hamilton experts). All, fine people, who have always offered total support whenever I needed it. Last, but not least, a special thanks to Sam Kirk for giving us a great and nice place to get together, fellowship without fear, share, learn and post opinions freely.

Let's continue the thread now, with some pictures of these nice cases before we move back into text discussion on the Model 10's and 13's.